And that is forged soft steel clubheads and there are several forging methods and processes available. Bending the loft is another story. CallawayTCB w/ LAgolf L-series 5 Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Just because you have 130 yds to pin doesn't mean it's automatically a PW..depends on alot of factors [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Another thing to note is that a manufacturers new set of clubs doesnt mean their lofts are completely accurate. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). I had my Vr pros bent 2* strong and it did both. Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM It is true that bounce changes with loft on a 1 to 1 basis, but I think that unless you are bending an iron 2*+ that you will see a significant change in playing characteristics due to the change in bounce. When you start messing with length, then you also mess with swing weight and then adding weight to compensate for the SW can start messing with the flex of the shaft. MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Callaway Apex Pro 16 KBS Tour V x I think most guys out there play less or equal loft to most retail sets out there these days. None of the top 100 PGA Tour pros uses regular iron shafts. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). You probably have hair as well. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Abandoned Golf Courses for Sale (How Much?). [img]http://pxc86358mpx1hyn3hdxen4o1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/171831.png[/img]. Below, we explain everything you need to know about bending golf clubs and suggest when its a good idea. If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. To bend a club effectively, you need to use a club bending machine or take your clubs to a professional to do it on your behalf. Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. [/quote] Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Coops Most launch monitors are not very friendly to lefties so I don't even bother. If you take your clubs to a fitter or professional, you can expect to pay somewhere between $5-$20 per club, but a lot will depend on the price of amendments in your local area. and for the mechanics I would recommend working on ball position. After all, manufacturing golf clubs and ensuring the loft and angle on each club is no easy feat, so its not something that you should experiment with. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. tiger used 2 weak one his old iron i dont know if he still using it, Ping G430LST w/ TPT 14HI / Synergy green 75tx / Ventus TR blue Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. There does seem to be an abrupt cut off on the minimum iron loft at slower swing speeds. [/quote] Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? flat but he has such a horrendous over the top move he gets by using irons that are 2 deg up. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. You absolutely can buy a golf bending machine to use at home, but you will find that theyre super expensive, typically costing several hundred if not thousands of dollars. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. So, for the sake of your irons, take your clubs to a custom fitter if you plan on bending them. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Machines that adjust for all hosel positions, such asMitchell Angle Machinesare accurate regardless of the offset or hosel design of the golf club. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] Taylormade M6Callaway Steelhead XR 4+Mizuno MP-18 mb 4-PWTitliest SM7 50f, 54s, 58dSC Phantom X 5.5. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By Mizuno used to manufacture their iron sets with flatter lies than most OEM's partly because the average Japanese male was shorter than the average N. American male. Maybe a little further, maybe a little lower, maybe to change bounce, maybe just looks/feels better. Thanks for everybody for your help! So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. By doing this, you'll ensure that your irons stay in a proper shape. PGA Tour players swing the club fast. [/quote] So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. If you wanted to know more about how the process works of bending the loft and lie angle of clubs, watch the video below from Mitchell Golf: Although golfers often buy new golf clubs instead of modifying their current irons, bending clubs is a great way to make changes to the loft of your clubs to help you improve your accuracy and consistency. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. You will notice the strike feels much more energetic and the ball flies totally different when you get it right. It is as basic as that. Some people do it to improve their ball flight, while others do it because they think that their golf clubs have been poorly manufactured. They will adjust each iron to get even gaps between each iron. Depending on how often you play, iron head material softer forged carbon steels will move more with regular use and course conditions (firm versus soft), you very well could benefit from. Is that ok? Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. But he said that the standard lie/loft(?) [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. FAQs And that changes the flight of the ball right? Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email [email protected]. The good news is that the vast majority of irons can be bent, even those that are high-quality cast. I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. They sit better to my eye on the ground, the leading edge is noticeably lower and seems to line up with the hosel better (for lack of a better way to put it). He's on fire now, but I can't remember him playing well in windy conditions. RBZ 25* hb; RBZstage 2 19* hb For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. Some really do need more upright lies. These are forgiving clubs so you can work on this new action and learn it in relative safety. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. So, unless you plan on bending a significant number of golf clubs (and you plan on doing it more than once), it makes much more sense to pay a club-fitter to bend your golf clubs on your behalf. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. 3W&5W: CallawayEpic Flash Your link has been automatically embedded. Albion, MI 49224
However, before opting to have your golf clubs bent, wed recommend speaking to a custom club fitter. In some cases, due to the softness of our forgings, "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Honma TW-U forged 18* W/ KBS Prototype 95X All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. Lie angles are easiest to adjust in forged irons; sometimes not possible to adjust in cast irons. Should You Bend Your Irons? I'm concerned, however, that if I purchase a set of Scratch irons with what I think is the right grind for me (S/S) and bend the lofts a couple of degrees strong (ie. So, there is obviously a new standard that the club-manufacturers have begun, so lets say the NEW 7-iron loft . Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM Loft angles are adjusted mostly for consistent distance gaps throughout the set. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Mickesgolf IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task X Forged UT 20 w/PX But my arms are more like someone 6'4" to 6'5". After all, you dont want to ruin the make-up of your clubs by getting your angles wrong or by using a homemade contraption. Leather Golf Grips Review: Should I Use Them? Just be mindful that high-quality cast irons will be a little more difficult to bend and require a specialist bending machine. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. [/quote] This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. So for many, playing an upright lie with your irons is a quick and dirty fix for those who can't or don't want to take the time to fix a swing flaw. See What Members Are Saying! The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. As for whether or not you should bend your irons, its really up to you. They are just tweaking the sets to fit their distance needs. This can significantly alter the way that you strike the ball and can save you a fortune as far as upgrading, or changing clubs is concerned. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. When you get your set of irons, make sure that both thew lofts AND the lies are checked for consistency. Day in particular looks like he's always hitting 100% or more. 4-iron - 20.5 degrees. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. [/quote] The most common adjustment is lie angle, not loft. ENTER NOW! My wingspan finger tip to finger tip is 78". [/quote] My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. 6-iron launch: 17* AutoFlex Golf Shaft Review: 8 Crucial Facts Before You Buy! Unfortunately what you then see is that they tend to pull their short irons. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. Your previous content has been restored. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. The spin makes the ball "balloon" and land too steep which actually makes it harder to stick greens so while the spin may not be the actual problem, it's the reason that I would like to flatten my ball flight out. You can post now and register later. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. 7 iron 32 171 and this is just for practice! Ping Tour Gorge 50SS, SM5 M-Grind 54/10, TM Tour Preferred 58/10 Still have questions? enjoy the game and enjoy your new irons: standard lie, loft and length works for 90% of recreational golfers. Pros can easily hit their 7 iron over 170 yards or more. [/quote] The cb301 had an x100 and the blade had a modus 125x. Reset Password Then again, I'm not sure that the spin you are talking about is a problem. WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. . You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. I had one fitter tell me I could play at 4 deg flat but that seemed a little extreme. . clemsondds, August 1, 2009 in WRX Club Techs, Hey guys, just wondering if some of ya'll can explain why people bend their irons up to 2 degrees? I'm curious about this as well. 8 iron 38 160 Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. If you don't like bend them back. [/quote] Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? Pasted as rich text. 6 iron 30 180 To get consistent gaps is probably the most common reason a tour player would have his lofts "tweaked". You need to make sure that bending your clubs is right for your game, as you dont want to jeopardize what you already have. Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. [/quote] Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). an 8 iron is easier to hit than a 6 iron), I'm trying to draw comparisons to modern irons with stronger lofts, and if . He use to shorten all of his irons half inch. See What Members Are Saying! Note where the player's 'natural' lie angle is - ie the neutral/normal lie angle as above - but then intentionally bend the lie angle to mitigate their hook/slice tendencies. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. Bending a golf club allows you to change the angle of your club, which is an effective way of changing your ball flight. You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. Hybrids: 4-5 Epic Flash 6,7 Big Bertha. [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable The most popular brand is Golfsmith which manufactures high-quality loft/lie bending machines. Upload or insert images from URL. After being bent, high-quality cast clubs dont go back to their original position either, ensuring you achieve the desired results after bending your clubs. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. I choose my lofts based on the yardages I want to hit it and nothing else. When you consider the fact that bending your golf clubs can make them easier to hit, you can see that its a great value for money option to consider, particularly when compared to investing in a new set of game improvement golf clubs. thanks, Any help would be much appreciated! Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'][quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is going to help your game unless you fall into the same catagory. simple, 2 degrees upright is what the clubfitter fitted me at. Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? QEight Advanced Members 3.6k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted August 8, 2014 [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong?
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